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Prebys Amphitheatre available again

By Isabella Vesperini

Posted August 13, 2024

The IU Board of Trustees approved construction of the limestone Amphitheatre in 2015 as a way to promote the arts and humanities. (Isabella Vesperini/WTIU)

The Conrad Prebys Amphitheatre is open for event reservations this fall, according to a statement from IU. Since the pandemic, the Amphitheatre, located next to President Pamela Whitten’s residence on campus, has been unavailable for any events. It is unclear why the space has been closed for so long.

“The Prebys Amphitheatre remains open for informal use,” the statement said. “For those interested in reserving the space this fall, contact the University Auditorium.”

Rachel Caswell, adjunct lecturer in the Jacobs School of Music, said her department was one of many arts units that relied on the Amphitheatre as an event space for gatherings such as Jazz in July.

“I’m thrilled,” Caswell said. “I think it’s so valuable to have arts positioned live in the heart of campus, highlighting a variety of units, including the Jacobs School of Music.”

Rachel Caswell, adjunct lecturer in the Jacobs School of Music, said Jazz in July was held in Columbus, Indiana this year since the Amphitheatre hasn't been available the last few years. *(Isabella Vesperini/WTIU)*

In 2021, Joan Padawan, events and adult outreach coordinator for Indiana Public Media, said she received an email saying that the Swing in September concert would need to be moved from the Amphitheatre to an alternate location due to “grounds work.” Since then, no events have been scheduled at the Amphitheatre. The space was pulled from the IU Auditorium’s list of available event spaces.

“When we inquired further, they said it was no longer available,” she said.

The IU Board of Trustees approved construction of the limestone Amphitheatre in 2015 as a way to promote the arts and humanities.

“It was outdoors, had an electrical source for things you needed to plug in, but was also in close proximity to all of the great performance units on campus,” Caswell said. “We had a small sound system that we could just wheel over there, and it was acoustically a great space. You don't need a lot of amplification in that space because of the shape of the well.”

Caswell said she was disappointed when the Amphitheatre suddenly became unavailable as a usable event space after the pandemic.

“It’s too bad,” she said. “We've gone from having the perfectly located outdoor community space where it welcomes everybody and it is bringing the arts to the people, to the students, to the campus, to having that not be available.”

The Amphitheatre was built close to the School of Music so transporting instruments for concerts was easier, Caswell said. Moving materials to Dunn Meadow for Swing in September instead is more difficult and expensive.

“Now we have to move a bunch of stuff across campus, hire a separate sound crew, and it's a bigger expense and it's more inconvenient,” she said. “In terms of musical performances, it's not necessarily optimal to have to just be in a field and then you have to have a lot of sound support, because it's a field. It's not a well that has the kind of reverberation that you would like.”

Caswell said it can be a struggle to find adequate outdoor performance spaces. The land should be flat and have enough room for people to gather.

“The Concert Band, when they have done their summer concerts, have performed on the driveway of the musical arts center because that's the only place they could feasibly perform,” she said. “They also have performed at places like out in front of the Lilly Library, but the logistics of putting something outside that's not near the School of Music is difficult.”