Alex Chambers: When Aidan was little, he'd go out fruit picking with his dad. His dad would quiz him on the kind of tree. Later, he'd tell his friend--

Aidan: The name of the fruit and they'd be like, "that's not in English." I'm like, I don't know how to say it in English, because that's how my dad told me.

Alex Chambers: Aidan, like his dad is Palestinian. For both of them, picking fruit is a way of staying connected to the Palestinian landscape and land. I met Aidan at the Pro-Palestine Encampment on the Indiana University Campus. This week on Inner States, we'll hear about the complex motivations that brought all sorts of people to the Encampment. That's coming up after this. Alex Chambers:  Erin and Matt found out about the protest by accident.

Erin:  We were driving home, and the entire parking lot full of police officers that were like staging, and we saw the SWAT vehicles and all of that. And even some police officers smacking their hands with their batons.

Alex Chambers:  She opened her phone to find out what it was all about. What she learned was that an Encampment was going up on the Indiana University campus in support of Palestinians. Erin and Matt believed in the cause, enough that they felt like they should go support it. But it's one thing to decide you should do something, it's another to actually get yourself over to the field where it's happening.

Erin:  I never really make the time to come to places, you know, I feel too busy. But then, you know, you can always make time for things that are important.

Alex Chambers:  Were you starting to say you always find an excuse?

Erin:  Kind of, yeah, because I find an excuse for a lot of things.

Alex Chambers:  And let's remember, the first sign of the protest for Erin and Matt was cops smacking their hands with their batons.

Matt:  I mean, seeing all the arrests and the violence, and all the videos of what was happening, it was scary. Some of the photos that we saw, it looked like it was back in Vietnam era protests and stuff. So, I mean, I think we always knew we were going to come here eventually, it was just a matter of when. And there was probably some hesitation, [LAUGHS] based off of the other stuff that was happening, so yeah.

Alex Chambers:  Even when the threat of arrest had started to diminish, they realized they had other reasons not to go.

Erin:  It was like, oh, we have work in the morning, we have animals to take care of. Oh, this, this, this.

Matt:  I kind of had this mentality of, like, you know, there's going to be people out there, so why do I necessarily need to show up?

Erin:  And then it was kind of like, well, I could put myself aside for a couple of hours and show up, and at least just be here for numbers, if nothing else.

Matt:  I think, you know, at a point you have to be one of those people, [LAUGHS] you know what I mean?

Alex Chambers:  So, a week after it started they came to the Encampment. There were tents set up in Dunn Meadow, that's a field near the middle of campus that's been designated for demonstration, and plenty of other things too. Some of the rules about that changed the day before the Encampment, and we'll come back to that. Most of the tents were sleeping tents, there were a few shade tents too. It was a sunny afternoon, people were hanging out in groups, scattered around the tents and under the shade. They were chatting, making friendship bracelets in the colors of the Palestinian flag. Erin and Matt were sitting on a blanket toward the edge of the Encampment.

Erin:  It's really nice, everyone's very peaceful. It's definitely something that was made to sound like it was very violent here. Everyone's like knitting, and drawing, and doing screen printing.

Alex Chambers:  I had come to the Encampment because I was like Erin and Matt, whatever the cause, I understood the tendency to find excuses, and I wanted to figure out what was different about the people who didn't take a week to get there. You might not be surprised to hear Erin and Matt held that kind of person in pretty high regard.

Alex Chambers:  Like, what does it take to be the kind of person who's like just there immediately? What kind of person is that?

Erin:  Being absolutely not selfish at all, just being completely selfless, because a lot of people have put their entire career, their academic career-- yeah, it definitely takes a lot of selflessness of a person to do that.

Matt:  I think certain people are more outgoing, I guess, more willing to just do spontaneous things. I can say for us, we're not super-spontaneous people, I feel like we generally plan things at least a few hours in advance, you know what I mean? So I think it does take someone who's willing. The person who's willing to go and, you know, live here for however long has different brain chemistry than me, which is fine. [LAUGHS]

Erin:  Because we do need people like that, that are just willing to put everything aside and be there. And, you know, for good and for bad, I don't think we're necessarily those people, and that's why I said, "Well, we weren't the first, but it's still important to make time for that."

Alex Chambers:  Those were Erin and Matt's theories. I did also talk with some of those people who were there from the beginning. They were mostly young. College students, grad students. A number of them had personal ties to the Middle East, and Palestine in particular. Some of what motivated them, or kept them motivated, was the reactions from university administration, the fact that the state police had shown up. So I also got a timeline of the events at the Encampment from Ethan Sandweiss. He's one of the reporters from our newsroom who's been covering the protests. What follows is a collection of voices from the Encampment. We'll start with Ethan.

Ethan Sandweiss:  On April 25th it was a combination of IU students and faculty and staff, mainly students though, set up this protest in Dunn Meadow.

Beyza Lkur:  At a certain point I was like, okay, I honestly don't care about arguing with people anymore, I just want people to stop dying. I honestly thought it would have ended by now, I thought, I don't know, obviously there would be no reparations that could make up for it or anything, but I thought people would at least be able to bury their loved ones in peace.

Alex Chambers:  Can you introduce yourself to me?

Beyza Lkur:  I'm Beyza Lkur.

Alex Chambers:  What do you feel got you to come to this at the beginning?

Beyza Lkur:  I mean, I am Muslim, I am Middle Eastern. Some people think because I am those two things I immediately should care about Palestine, but honestly I just think it's humanity in general. Like people being killed is wrong, and if I can do something to help against it, why not?

Alex Chambers:  Did you sort of see yourself as an activist growing up?

Beyza Lkur:  Honestly, not really. I do have very strong opinions politically, or like in terms of human rights and everything. I will voice them, and I will argue to the end of the earth with people who disagree with them, but I've never really been involved in a movement like this before.

Ethan Sandweiss:  That Wednesday before April 25th, an ad hoc committee at IU gathered together and signed on to this amendment to an existing policy for the free speech zone in Dunn Meadow that said, "You cannot create temporary structures during the daytime without prior approval." There was already a prohibition for nighttime camping in Dunn Meadow, but this daytime thing was new. There is some obscure provision in the original 1960s document designating Dunn Meadow as a free speech zone that allows the university to make changes using an ad hoc committee, but a lot of the critics are saying that this is not how it was intended to function and there's no evidence that the ad hoc committee really was actually seriously deliberating this, or they took any kind of feedback from the community.

Sarah Alhaddad:  My name is Sarah Alhaddad, I'm a freshman here at IU Bloomington. I'm studying International Studies, and I am Palestinian-Jordanian. Essentially what brought me out here is just devotion to the cause. I have always been raised with like a really strong sense of my identity, you know, my parents raised me that way, and I've always been very outspoken about my Palestinian identity. And so, you know, I wanted to come here and be a part of history, and I think the momentum we've gained over the last week has been absolutely mind-blowing. You know, we didn't walk into this thinking it would end up this way, but, you know, by the will of God, it did.

Alex Chambers:  And then the university calls in the Indiana State Police to enforce that policy that was created the day before.

Sarah Alhaddad:  It was really tough and chaotic at first. When the police would come and raid us, that was really scary.

Alex Chambers:  Yeah, can you tell me more about that? I'm guessing you hadn't had an experience like that before.

Sarah Alhaddad:  No, definitely not. No, I've never had any interaction with the police, so this was a lot for my first time.

Alex Chambers:  How did you feel?

Sarah Alhaddad:  I mean, I didn't see what happened on Thursday, I had gone to class, and I came back. And, you know, they had kind of already done their thing, and we were just kind of picking up the pieces.

Ethan Sandweiss:  11:00 am was the announced start time for that protest, and arrests started not too long after.

Alex Chambers:  Were you there when it started?

Ethan Sandweiss:  No, I was actually in Ireland, with food poisoning, watching Twitter unfold, and just lying in bed vomiting and screaming, like, "Let me back there! I need to cover this!"

Alex Chambers:  [LAUGHS] Was it worth it? Whatever you ate?

Ethan Sandweiss:  No, it wasn't even that good of a food. And I had a lot of nice, fresh seafood there and I didn't get sick from it, and this was just baked salmon. Anyway, here's the incident report. So the protest that Thursday starts around 11:00 am and police officers start to show up later, around 12:45, 12:50. It's Indiana State Police, and they're coming with a lot of hardware, they're coming with BearCats, helicopters. They also are carrying weapons such as assault rifles, sniper rifles, tear gas, none of which get used, but, you know, they have there. And they ask the protesters to move out. They ask them five or six times, telling them to take down the tents. The protesters don't do it. And then the Indiana State Police moves in and starts making arrests. So in their incident report, in the police incident reports they say that they are arresting people first of all for not complying with police instructions, and not complying with this new order restricting the use of Dunn Meadow as a free speech and protest zone.

Ethan Sandweiss:  And then they're also claiming things like, oh, protesters are lunging at us. We don't have the bodycam footage yet, we don't know exactly what happened. What we hear from protesters are, some of the protesters who got arrested, such as faculty, they were standing in between the cops and students. But anyway, they made over 20 arrests that first day. The camp does come back that night, that's the first night that people are actually camping out there in Dunn Meadow. Friday goes again, there are police there but there's not another encounter like that. And then Saturday there's another encounter with the police that leads to violent arrests and more campers banned.

Sarah Alhaddad:  On Saturday I saw them on the corner, they were about to move in, so I kind of started panicking, and it was just really, really scary to watch. And not only that, but I was up on the sidelines, you know, where other people were, and they were just kind of like cheering the police on, and they were like, "Yeah, go get them!" Like, you know, "Move in on them!" and that kind of thing, and it was just like genuinely terrifying to watch. It was like war, it was like watching war, it was really scary.

Sarah Alhaddad:  And I had left my backpack here, and I had to argue with the police officers to let me go get it. I was like, "That has everything. Everything I have is in there," you know, "it's finals week, I'm a student, I need my laptop." And, you know, I asked around, a couple of them, they said no, and eventually someone pointed me to a nicer police officer that could help, and he was able to get my backpack back for me.

Alex Chambers:  Did you have to tell him where it was and he went and got it or something?

Sarah Alhaddad:  Yeah, I was like, "It should be around in this area," and I described it for him. He was able to get it for me, but it kind of just goes to show that there's no protocol they're following, they just kind of pick and choose what they want to do, and if you get lucky then someone might be able to be nice and helpful to you.

Alex Chambers:  If you hadn't had class, do you feel like you would have been down with the people who were getting pushed around?

Sarah Alhaddad:  Absolutely, absolutely. On Saturday, and on Thursday I'm sure as well, I realized that I really narrowly, just narrowly missed both of those interactions with the police. I absolutely would have been arrested, 100%, no doubt.

Alex Chambers:  Because you were feeling so strongly?

Sarah Alhaddad:  I feel strongly. You know, it's easy to sit there at home and say, well, when I get there I'm just going to kind of take it easy, I don't want to get arrested, I don't want to get mixed up in that. But then you get here and you feel the energy of everyone, and it's like, you know, I've got to step up, I'm Palestinian, this is my fight, these are my people, I can't just sit idly by. So I get here and feel certain emotions, and it kind of pushes me, propels me to the front lines.

Alex Chambers:  What other emotions have you felt since you've been here?

Sarah Alhaddad:  I mean, I've been scared, I've been prideful, I've been overwhelmed. There's so much support. I mean, ten years ago, literally ten years ago I was saying the exact same thing, you know, pleading and advocating for All Eyes On Rafah, that type of thing. Ten years ago, the exact same thing, and no one was listening. So to come here now and to see that people are actually finally listening is absolutely, absolutely incredible. There's no way for me to express my emotions on how overwhelming that is.

Alex Chambers:  It's time for a break. When we come back we'll talk about what it means to have the privilege to get arrested, and what happens when your dad reads to you from Edward Said, the great Palestinian cultural critic, when you're 11 years old. Stay with us.

Alex Chambers:  Welcome back to Inner States. I'm Alex Chambers. Quick clarification, you're about to hear mention of IUI. That's Indiana University Indianapolis. It's another campus in our regional system. So when you hear that you'll know IUI, Indiana University Indianapolis. IUB, Indiana University Bloomington, that's where we are. Here we go.

Robin:  I'm Robin. I came here from IUI Campus to just be a body before anything that was necessary. [LAUGHS]

Alex Chambers:  When did you get here?

Robin:  Two o'clock.

Robin:  Around 2:30. We've just been chilling since then. It's been really enjoyable. I haven't noticed the time flying.

Alex Chambers:  So tell me a bit more about what made you decide to come out.

Robin:  The biggest thing is seeing the sheer difference between the treatment IUI's encampment, versus IUB's. Right now, IUI is treating it very carefully to avoid more negative press. But because of that, the biggest thing they're focusing on is sustainability, while this is lot more of an insecure location.

Alex Chambers:  This is a more of an insecure location, here at IU?

Robin:  I feel like it's getting visited a lot more by the police, which is just not happening at IUI.

Alex Chambers:  Is that something that is generally part of your character, to put yourself in those places?

Robin:  Yes, at the end of the day I'm just a big body. [LAUGHS] I'm six one and I do waitress stuff, so it's a surprising amount of strength for that. But honestly I really enjoy getting to be in spaces like this where I get to see community being built and I get to see people being together for a cause because I feel that's something that's a lot harder to come by nowadays where a lot of it is more digital rallying.

Bryce Green:  An encampment like this encourages people to think differently about how their lives are organized.

Alex Chambers:  I don't know if I had you introduce yourself, can you do that?

Bryce Green:  I'm Bryce Greene. If we can help ourselves, we can provide our own security, our own medics, our own food, our own libraries. If we can create spaces like this, it encourages people to think radically about the world that they live in. You see people solving complex problems together, whereas in the "real world" there's a process and you can always calls somebody and you're not necessarily a part of a deep community in which you have ties to everybody, in which you're used to relying on your neighbors and your colleagues and friends. Every thing's more alienated in the "real word". Here is shows people that there's an aspect of human existence that you can't get when you live in isolated apartment blocks and everyone's rushing to their nine-to-five, and doing all that stuff.

Stefanie Sharp:  Just earlier, you needed a cable and the girl next to us, I've no idea what her name is, no idea who it is, probably never going to see her again, she just let us use her charger.

Morgan Bose:  My name is Morgan Bose.

Stefanie Sharp:  I'm Stefanie Sharp.

Morgan Bose:  I'm her boyfriend. I'm a trans man. I live in Columbus.

Stefanie Sharp:  I'm a trans woman. We're a transcouple.

Morgan Bose:  Yes. [LAUGHS] It's contagious.

Stefanie Sharp:  What really made me feel like I needed to show up was the absolutely disproportionate response to the protest. Even if you're going to buy into their fiction of we're not allowed to have overnight structures or that sort of thing, for those people to be banned from campus for a year is completely disproportionate for that reason anyway.

Alex Chambers:  Robin's waving her hand in agreement.

Robin:  Plotting, basically. [LAUGHS]

Stefanie Sharp:  And I know it made national news, the snipers on the roof, that was absolutely insane.

Morgan Bose:  The school wants to make it very clear, they're not snipers. They're over-watch with sniper capabilities.

Alex Chambers:  Over-watch position basically means it's there to monitor but in my interview with Doug Carter, Superintendent of the Indiana State Police, he also described it as a closed sniper positon.

Lilian Ford:  I'm Lilian. Last name, Ford. I know coming here depended on how late we could stay, that could really mess up my plans if I get arrested and to come back to IU like that, that would be bad but here I am.

Bryce Green:  One of the things that has really been rankling people who are paying attention to these protests is these campus bans that are coming alongside the arrests. It's one thing to cart away all these students and teachers on a bus and bring them to jail, for allegedly trespassing. But it's another thing to ban them from campus for a year or, in the case of at least one person, five years while they're trying to finish degrees, while they're trying to teach classes. People have been appealing those. The university president Whitten said you can appeal these bans but there are people who have tried to appeal and then rejected without getting an explanation for why they were rejected.

Alex Chambers:  So what are your plans for that? Are you going to try and avoid getting arrested? Do you feel like it's important enough that you're going to stand up and do it if it comes to that?

Lilian Ford:  Yes. If it comes to that situation I guess I would have to be arrested because it would just be the true showing of solidarity with everyone else, because even if it's unfair and unjust I feel like being put into that situation you have a moral obligation to follow through.

Stefanie Sharp:  I'm prepared for it.

Alex Chambers:  Mentally?

Stefanie Sharp:  Yes.

Stefanie Sharp:  Logistically, I'm just going to have to call my work and say I'm not coming in tomorrow because I was arrested. But at the end of the day, me born as an American has given me the privilege to freedom since I was born and that is not something that Palestinians have in the slightest, currently. I feel to be arrested and to lose that right to freedom is to be giving it in order to grant Palestinians their freedom.

Lilian Ford:  Getting arrested here and now is nothing compared to what's going on in Gaza. And to back out because you'd be too afraid of the consequences, there are bigger things to worry about.

Alex Chambers:  How do you feel about people who decide not to get arrested?

Lilian Ford:  I don't want to be a hater.

Male, unknown:  Not everyone is afforded the privilege of getting to miss work the next day or have a parent that can bail them out. You have to really think about they could very well be marginalized in many ways, to not be able to have the privilege to get arrested. I mean privilege to get arrested sounds funny, but yes.

Lilian Ford:  I think something very beautiful has happened here where a hundred different people from a hundred different walks of life have come from a hundred different paths to all end up here at the same place for the same reason, to support others. Because that's sort of what this is, just showing our support and doing anything that we can to help.

Male, unknown:  We even stopped by a few days ago when it was pouring down rain and some people were playing soccer, people were huddling in a tent. We didn't stick around for that, but that was really awesome to see.

Male, unknown:  I came here for the hope, because definitely not in my lifetime, definitely not in my parent's lifetime, there's not been such a cultural shift in the progressive movement since Islamaphobia, especially since 9/11. There's just nothing like it has been done before, and so yay a W for that. Not the best circumstances.

Lilian Ford:  The sun is shining on us, there's a nice light breeze, plenty of shade.

Lilian Ford:  It's really beautiful and peaceful right now, but we also have to live with the fact earlier, pretty much the moment we got here, we ended up doing barricade training for if police did come to break us up how to prevent people from getting arrested.

Jesse:  We're are these friendship bracelets? We're making friendship bracelets here. Just keeping our minds occupied, keeping our hands occupied. My name is Jesse, I am a photography and design student here at IU, in my second year. Today we were expecting a counter-protest and possibly a violent counter-protest. From my understanding a few people showed up, much less than they claimed were coming. Our plan the whole time was do art activities, hang out, just ignore, be peaceful, do everything we can to de-escalate the situation. So that's what we're out here doing.

Alex Chambers:  From what I understand this was the case towards the beginning, before the police showed up. People were chanting, people were heated but it wasn't a protest that really showed any signs of getting violent or getting confrontational. Now there was another protest across the street in front of the Chabad House where people who were accusing the protesters of being anti-semitic and calling for Israel's destruction, were playing loud music, chanting, holding a sign basically in parallel. And at a certain point, looking at the police logs, it looked like there was people also across the road. Those anti-demonstrators, those counter-demonstrators. But from my conversation with Doug Carter, and also from reviewing these police records, it doesn't look like the Indiana State Police ever considered that counter-protestors could be a threat or a potential source of violence either. Really, any potential for chaos was going to come from pro-Gaza demonstrators.

Aidan Khamis:  One thing I love to do that takes up my life is fruit picking. I love picking figs and fruit and all this because my dad grew up in the camps in Northern Lebanon and would always go out. When I was little he'd tell me about... "Can you tell me what this tree is?" And I'd tell them, and I'd tell the kids the name of the fruit and they'd be, "That's not in English." And I'd say, "I don't know how to say it in English because that's how my dad told me."

Alex Chambers:  Did you have access to that fruit, those trees, where you were growing up? Where did you grow up?

Aidan Khamis:  I grew up in the United States, I split time between the Midwest and I live in California now. But technically not. We'd find a tree in the neighborhood.

Alex Chambers:  I would be remiss in not asking what kind of fruit.

Aidan Khamis:  I think my favorite would probably be figs or mulberries. But oranges, loquats, lemon trees, peach, everything. My dad knew the all.

Alex Chambers:  And do you do that now, are you able to?

Aidan Khamis:  Of course, I do it all the time and I try to get my friends to do it and I can find a plum tree, and they're like, "How do you know what that is?" But it shows you the level, as Palestinians we connect to our land. That's one of the biggest things we hold, the land connection. That's why it's so dear to us. There's a poem in Arabic, it's one like [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] and it means, this is the land that gives us life. We do everything for it. We nurture it. Our relationship with it isn't just one of profit and exploitation, but one of love and compassion, committed to fostering something beautiful.

Alex Chambers:  Tell me who you are.

Aidan Khamis:  I'm Aidan Khamis. I'm an organizer with the Palestine Solidarity Committee. I'm also an organizer with the organization that is polled on the income and the IU Divestment Coalition. Every Palestinian holds their piece of the 75 years of colonial violence with them. Each of us have a story. Each of us have something in us. My grandparents died before I was born because they were in refugee camps, they didn't have access to aid or medical. My dad grew up under siege in '82. The siege of '82 was definitely brutal but the stories he tells me, it's not just one isolated event it's a 75-year story of occupation and that's the burden that each of us have, we all carry it with us and bring it with us.

Alex Chambers:  Were you seeing activism as well?

Aidan Khamis:  Yes, of course. I think any Palestinian holds it on their shoulders. They hold that activism. I've always seen it.

Alex Chambers:  Can you tell me like a specific moment?

Aidan Khamis:  I think my specific moment is when my dad was reading Edward Said and I was just enthralled with his writing such poetry and such a figure of culture, and I remember just reading. It's like you see how he's a musician in the way he writes. It just flows.

Alex Chambers:  Was he reading Edward Said to himself? To you?

Aidan Khamis:  Both.

Alex Chambers:  Really? How old were you?

Aidan Khamis:  I think I was probably 11 or 12 when my dad first introduced me to Edward Said.

Alex Chambers:  Can you say who Edward Said is for people who might now know?

Aidan Khamis:  He's a profound Palestinian academic, Professor at Colombia University. A prominent advocate for the Palestinian cause and a musician, a professor of comparative literature and so and so, writing prominent works like "Orientalism" and that made huge shifts in the fields of cultural studies and always a voice of principle for the world and for Palestinians.

Alex Chambers:  So you were hearing him at the age of 11 or 12?

Aidan Khamis:  Yes. He would tell me about reading, he would send me videos to watch of him and it was also emblematic of his experience and mine too because my grandfather was a teacher in the refugee camp. So it passed down. My grandfather was so enthralled with literature of all kinds. He taught himself French in order to learn how to read some of these books. So, there's always been that culture theorist, that literature aspect in my family and I think that's the beauty of why I love this camp. Because it makes something where you can learn. You can learn from people. We're teaching each other on how to maintain a camp how to talk about Palestine. How you interact with... my political science will come out but stay violence. All of those things. This is a site of learning and I'm always enthralled with learning.

Alex Chambers:  What do you feel like you're learning?

Aidan Khamis:  A lot. I think I'm really learning about what it means to be committed to, I want to say love, but it's more foundational than that. People from all these different walks of life coming here and meeting them, hearing their stories and knowing that they're here for Gaza and here for Palestine, and what they bring to the table. Each person brings something unique. Their own story filled with all these twists and turns, filled with love and hate, and joy and laughter, and sadness. That's what I think I'm learning, really just learning people. Especially in the face of adversity, in the face of militarized cops you see types of emotions come out of people. People will stand by you.

Aidan Khamis:  I mean there's a special type of feeling and connection with someone when you're in the face of such adversity, such, I would say criminality and people are holding firm to their principle. My dad always told me, who are we if we aren't our principles? What's the point? That's what life's worth living for.

Alex Chambers:  Do you feel like your dad raised you with these strong values but also a concern for your own individual wellbeing?

Aidan Khamis:  Of course.

Alex Chambers:  And so maybe his hopes for you hadn't necessarily been for you to become an activist, it sounds like.

Aidan Khamis:  I think he hoped for me to be an activist in a particular way and an intellectual way. Not to say that I'm, but I think there shouldn't be a divide between an intellectual and an activist.

Alex Chambers:  And for him there is a little bit?

Aidan Khamis:  I think there is and I think that's just part of his experiences and his fears in knowing what it's like to be Palestinian.

Alex Chambers:  And having gone through things that maybe you haven't had to go through.

Aidan Khamis:  Exactly, and I know he's seen horrors of utter magnitude. The siege of '82 in Lebanon, he was there as a child. Israel cluster-bombed plenty of the camps. He's seen those horrors, those atrocities and I can never blame him for that. I can never blame him for that being his response to that and I hope that he knows that everything I do is for him, too, him and my mother who have given me everything. I love people. Just knowing everybody. Some people I love less than others. It's like each person has their own unique story and are just their own unique being. We should be able to live in a world where everyone is liberated enough to share that. Thank you so much.

Alex Chambers:  Yes, thank you. It's so great to hear you.

Alex Chambers:  That was Voices from the Encampment recorded at Dunn Meadow on the Indiana University Bloomington campus late afternoon, Thursday, May 2nd.

Alex Chambers:  And that's it for this show. You've been listening to Inner States from WFIU in Bloomington, Indiana. If you have a story for us, or you've got some sound we should hear, let us know at WFIU.org/inner states. Okay, we've got you a quick moment of slow radio coming up, but first, the credits. Inner States is produced and edited by me, Alex Chambers. Our social media master is Jillian Blackburn. We get support from Eoban Binder, Mark Chilla, LuAnn Johnson, Sam Schemenauer, Payton Whaley and Kayte Young. Our executive producer is Eric Bolstridge. Our theme song is by Amy Oelsner and Justin Vollmar. We have additional music from the artists at Universal Production Music. Special thanks this week to Bob Zaltsberg for editorial feedback on the encampent story. Alright, time for some found sound.

Alex Chambers:  That was rain on the roof of the car, recorded by Jane Chambers. Thanks Jane. Until next week, I'm Alex Chambers, thanks as always for listening.