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Why One Indiana District's Frustrated With The New A-F School Letter Grades

Kyle Stokes / StateImpact Indiana

Monroe County Community School Corporation superintendent Judy DeMuth addresses a gathering in Bloomington in 2011.

A disagreement over how to count one student could make a big difference for one school in Monroe County Community Schools, that district’s superintendent says.

Judy DeMuth says MCCSC administrators have filed an appeal with Indiana Department of Education officials over the preliminary A-F letter grade they gave a Bloomington school (she can’t say which one). She says there are clear errors in the data the state used to calculate the school’s grade.

“It’s been very difficult to figure out how to match the numbers that we have and the number and the names that the state’s using,” DeMuth tells StateImpact.

DeMuth says how these discrepancies are sorted out could “make the difference between two different grades” at the school in question — the difference between, for example, receiving a B or a D. (Or an A or a C. Or a C or an F.)

DeMuth’s frustrations come as questions surface about why the release of Indiana’s school letter grades — being calculated for the first time this year using a model that’s more closely tied to individual students’ academic “growth” — has been delayed by two months.

Last year, the state released the grades in August. This year, the grades are set to come out on October 31.

The delay caused one longtime state education policy-watcher to call the release of the grades a “fiasco” — but state officials say many criticisms of the delays are unfair.

“Any time a new process or policy is implemented, there’s always an adjustment period as all parties involved adapt to a new way of doing things,” IDOE spokesperson Alex Damron said. “There’s nothing wrong with this as long as everyone works together toward an outcome that benefits students.”

What MCCSC Says Is Wrong

DeMuth says in calculating the pass-fail rate at the Monroe County school in question, state officials miscounted a number of students who took a statewide test. In other words, they picked the wrong “denominator” in the equation of students who passed divided by the students who took the test. She told StateImpact in an interview:

We’ve actually had to go through a process of working with the state on how to get the list of students that they’re using to create the number we’re looking at, and then actually sitting down and by hand going through our enrollment and the roster of students the state’s using and try to come to an agreement on the number of students they’re using.

In the documents that are in front of us, we had a discrepancy. In one place the state used— the number of students was 32. On another page the number was 29. If we use the 32 number, [that school's letter] grade is one grade that is higher than if we use the 29. But in the state’s document, the number was reported two different ways. That was the discrepancy that I’m talking about. It’s a discrepancy of the numbers being used to calculate our grade.

Kyle Stokes/StateImpact Indiana

Monroe County Community School Corporation superintendent Judy DeMuth speaks to a gathering at the Bloomington Country Club on Wednesday, August 24.

To compound her frustrations, DeMuth says district administrators had been working fruitfully with an Indiana Department of Education employee to sort out the data problems. DeMuth says the employee left the department to take another job. When the new state employee took over, DeMuth says they were back to square one in solving the problem.

(StateImpact didn’t ask whether the IDOE employee was Jon Gubera, who had been in charge of implementing the A-F grades. As Scott Elliott notes on his Indy Star blog, “Gubera left for a job at the College Board and actually delayed his departure to try to finish up work on the A to F grades.”)

DeMuth says she’s not alone in her frustrations. She says she was at a meeting with state superintendent Tony Bennett and “probably 35 or so” district superintendents. She says “all seemed to be very frustrated about data discrepancies” in their letter grades.

‘We Believe This Dialogue Is A Good Thing’

State spokesperson Alex Damron tells StateImpact:

Indiana has been using the same pass/fail metrics to grade schools since 2005, so it’s no surprise school corporations have questions about this year’s new calculations. I would argue this is a positive development. Local school leaders are asking the right questions, paying closer attention to student data, and maintaining a critical focus on the skills our students need to succeed. The new A-F grading system provides a more accurate and comprehensive picture of school performance. It represents a step forward for our schools and students.

In the last few weeks, we’ve fielded several calls from administrators wanting to learn more about the new metrics and how their local data is being used. Again, we believe this dialogue is a good thing. School leaders have had the opportunity to better familiarize themselves with the process before the grades are publically released, and we’ve been able to work with them to ensure the data they’ve provided us is accurate and up to date.

And, as Damron previously told the Indy Star:

The decision to publicly release grades on October 31 was heavily influenced by feedback from the field. Much of the data used to calculate school grades is provided by schools themselves and many school leaders requested extra time to review their own data points. Understanding this first year of A-F grades using a number of different data points takes some adjustment on the part of school officials. Thus, the department has extended important appeal deadlines so we can help schools understand their data before the grades are released publicly.

And counter to the “fiasco” narrative, IU Center for Evaluation and Education Policy director Jonathan Plucker told StateImpact he thought the delays in the A-F grade release demonstrated “an appropriate level of caution” on the part of the state.

Plucker adds that he’s seen the preliminary letter grades and says they’ll paint a positive picture of Indiana school performance.


  • Mom of Indiana School Children

    All of the time the schools have spent checking and rechecking the discrepancies is time better spent focusing on the needs of students in a plethora of other ways.

    • Scott McKinley

      Tell that to schools that are given an incorrect grade due to the lack of responsibility by the DOE.

  • Mr. Ed

    The grades are delayed by two months because of difficulties with “new adjustments.” Do you think a student could use an excuse like that for a late project? These are the people receiving salaries for grading the teachers and rating the schools, yet they cannot do their assignments on time. Do not think students are too young or naive to see the irony.

  • Horace Mann

    Once again, Judy DeMuth, Monroe County Superintendent, demonstrates she understands what Tony Bennett does not. But Bennett’s ego would never let him admit he was wrong. Nor would the millions of dollars from corporations waiting to get their hands on the piece of pie available once Bennett fails these schools and hands them over to his “sponsors.”

    Fellow Hoosiers, your system of public education is being sold out. Huge corporations are getting their beach hold in the poor urban neighborhoods without the resources to fight back. Do you care? You should. Your school will be next.

  • Jennifer

    I want to know why ACT is not part of the grade. Are schools who have kids taking that going to drop a grade because they don’t all do SAT? I think our State Education system is way out of bounds… first RISE, and now this. In our school, we have a class with 58% of the kids at pass plus. The rest have IEPs. How do you show growth with that? Our school will be deemed failing because we have 30 4th graders exceeding above grade level! How in the heck is that fair? Really? I voted early for Glenda Ritz. I want this man out of office…he is selling out the Indiana education system and because he has received so much money from outside sources *Walmart gave him $500K he will probably get re-elected. I might as well leave education now.

    • kystokes

      The ACT/SAT isn’t part of the grade at the high school level, but AP/IB scores are.

  • stonetones58

    They have pulled this same stuff in Indianapolis. Only when Bennett’s office was exposed in the media did they consider acknowledging the facts.

  • Valeria

    How sad, schools are so much more than these labels. We’ve lost our minds when it comes to public education and “reform.” Enough is enough.

  • Cathy Fuentes-Rohwer

    When the grades come out, there will be around 50% with Cs, Ds, and Fs in all of Indiana… because they are GRADED ON A CURVE. In whose best interest is that? Look at the campaign donors to Tony Bennett and you will see. Nothing like a “failing” grade to pave the way for state takeover (Charter Schools USA, etc. They thank you). And nothing like a “failing” school or two to make parents take their vouchers and run (Thank you Betsy DeVos)… They are postponing the grades because this might hurt Bennett’s re-election chances. VOTE HIM OUT. And while you are at it, vote out the legislators who supported vouchers, private charter school expansions,etc. Vote for John Gregg. Public schools are the cornerstone of a democracy… not for-profit entities. While you still can exercise your democratic right, VOTE.

  • Karynb9

    Bennett is all about “act-first-and-ask-questions-later” when it comes to all of his other reforms, but suddenly he’s all “let’s-just-wait-and-see” about this???

  • Cher

    Hey, accept it and FIX IT ………..we tell kids to take “their punches.” Time to do so ourselves and in our schools and FIX THEM!

    • Objective Hoosier

      What is your point Cher? What specifically are you referring to with your “FIX IT” comment?

  • Douglas Storm

    I think we missed a very interesting disclosure here:

    (StateImpact didn’t ask whether the IDOE employee was Jon Gubera, who had been in charge of implementing the A-F grades. As Scott Elliott notes on his Indy Star blog, “Gubera left for a job at the College Board and actually delayed his departure to try to finish up work on the A to F grades.”)

    Who runs College Board? David Coleman, and extremely successful con man:

    Do I make the analogical leap back and forth between state employees in charge of grading schools and the progressive reformers at common core/college board–or rather, the market reformers (synonymous)?

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