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What's Next For Mike Pence?

Vice president mike pence speaks at a podium in 2019

(CBP Photography, Wikimedia Commons)

Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election will make Donald Trump the 10th president to serve a single term in the White House.

But what does that mean for Vice President Mike Pence?

Pence is widely believed to harbor his own presidential ambitions, though he has always been guarded when asked publicly about his plans. Aides insist his full focus this year has been on 2020 alone. Indeed, there are few people – if any – who worked harder to try to secure Trump a second term.

Between Jan. 1 and Election Day, Pence made 107 trips on behalf of the president, including seven to Michigan, 11 each to Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and 13 to Florida. There were a dozen bus tours, appearances at Make America Great Again rallies, events with Women for Trump, Latinos for Trump, Evangelicals for Trump, Farmers & Ranchers for Trump and the Latter-day Saints Coalition. He sat down for a whopping 220 regional media interviews, including 40 in October alone.

More than any other member of the potential 2024 Republican field, Pence’s future is tied to Trump’s – and the president’s flirtations with running could put him in an untenable spot if he is eventually forced to make the almost unthinkable decision to run against his former boss.

The New York Times has reported the former Indiana governor and U.S. representative plans on moving back to the Hoosier State. Andy Downs, director of the Mike Downs Center for Indiana Politics, says after that, the future is much more uncertain.

“It is difficult for vice presidents who were part of a losing ticket to come back and be a viable candidate for president,” he said. “If you look at someone like Walter Mondale, yes, he was the nominee, but it did not go well.”

Downs points to former Vice President Al Gore as another recent example, and says President-Elect Biden’s success in 2020 after years of failed campaigns is actually a bit of an anomaly.

“We're at a point where your losses seem to hurt you a little bit more than maybe they did in the past,” said Downs.

Pence is still a viable figure on the national scene, according to Downs, and will continue to have sway with social conservatives. But his close alignment with President Trump will have a lasting impact on the VP’s future in politics.  

“If, for example, Donald Trump decides that he wants to put his network behind his son, that cuts out an awful lot for Mike Pence. So, there's a path to the presidency but it's one that's going to be a pretty big challenge.”

Still, “the perfect place to be in the Republican Party is to be for Trump’s polices without Trump’s personality. And that pretty much describes Mike Pence,” said Barry Bennett, a longtime Republican strategist who worked for Trump’s 2016 campaign.

Despite losing the presidency, the GOP actually picked up seats in the House and is in position to hold the Senate, pending two runoff races in Georgia.

As for Trump’s baggage, Bennett says, “it’s important to remember that Republicans will select their nominee. And there is no Trump baggage. They love him.”

Downs says the next step for Pence is securing support to back his next move, whatever it might be.

Before the election, Pence aides had discussed a plan to build a political apparatus for the vice president should he decide to run in 2024. They envisioned him holding fundraisers, speaking at party dinners and supporting 2022 candidates. Then, around the 2022 election, he would decide whether to move forward.

Pence, his allies contend, has time to take a wait-and-see approach because he’s already ahead of others in what is expected to be a crowded Republican field. Pence, they note, already has a political action committee, the Great America Committee, as well as a deep fundraising network and close friends who include many of the nation’s governors.

“I think he’s got the blessing of time right now where he can go ahead and put together a small apparatus for a potential run,” said Jon Thompson, who served as Pence’s spokesman on the campaign and previously worked for the Republican Governors Association. “So that gives him some time to really see what Trump and others do.”

“He also has to maintain legitimacy nationwide, whether that's by becoming a talking head on Fox or on some other network,” Downs said. “The big question for me is, what does Donald Trump do? Does Donald Trump say, ‘Well, I'm gonna run because I want to beat this guy (Biden),’ in four years? Does he say, ‘I want my son to run. I want Ivanka.’ What's he do? Because he could really screw up any plans Mike Pence has.”

In the short term, Pence is expected by some to spend some time on money-making ventures, including paid speeches and potentially writing a book.

The Associated Press contributed to this story.

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