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Club Owners Say Smoking Ban Exemption Could Hurt Business

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Columbus, Ind., has a partial smoking ban in place. A statewide ban would exempt a few specialized businesses including some bars.

The state legislature is considering a statewide smoking ban that would exempt certain bars and clubs that cater specifically to smokers. Some restaurant owners in cities where partial smoking bans are already in effect  say the exemption could hurt their business worse than the ban itself.

Joann Jeffries owns the Cozy Lounge in Columbus where customers can eat meal and smoke.  Jeffries says if the ban is passed, many of her customers would leave her lounge for other businesses that are exempt.

“If they make it a blanket non smoking, where everything in Columbus is non-smoking, it would be fine, but if they exclude the clubs, it’s gonna hurt us people will just go out and join the clubs,” she says.

Tom Rohrer is the Manager of Cook McDoogal’s Irish Pub, the only non-smoking 21 and older bar in Kokomo. He says he thinks the state ban would actually help businesses.

“A lot of the reason people come in here because they don’t like to go to places because not even if anybody’s smoking in there but just because of the smell of the smoke,” he says.

The bill is in the Senate but is not scheduled for a vote. If it passes, Indiana would join 29 other states with comprehensive smoking bans.

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  • Butch

    Tobacco is already an ILLEGAL drug, based upon the fact that it is ILLEGAL to POISON people, no matter how slowly you do it. Exposing others to the poisonous and carcinognic chemicals in toxic tobacco smoke is also ILLEGAL; toxic tobacco smoke must be banned everywhere, indoors and out.
    Smokers are brain-damaged from their tobacco addiction and cannot be expected to make correct and intelligent decisions about how they injust and kill 65,000 INNOCENT Americans every year.

  • Sheila Martin

    Wait just a doggone minute here! All those pro ban fanatics said the ban would be good for business! Tom has the non smoking bar and he WANTS people to go to other places?? That has got to be in the top five stupidest pro ban comments in history! And Jo Ann says a blanket ban would be good? This is why I have little respect left for hospitality business owners! THey would rather screw their neighbors than stand up and fight for their property rights! What a couple of LOONS!

  • Anonymous

    If you’re afraid of second-hand smoke, you should also avoid cars, restaurants…and don’t even think of barbecuing.
    here are just some of the chemicals present in tobacco smoke and what else contains them:
    Arsenic, Benzine, Formaldehyde.
    Arsenic- 8 glasses of water = 200 cigarettes worth of arsenic
    Benzine- Grilling of one burger = 250 cigarettes
    Formaldehyde – cooking a vegetarian meal = 100 cigarettes
    When you drink your 8 glasses of tap water (64 ounces) a day, you’re safely drinking up to 18,000 ng of arsenic by government safety standards of 10 nanograms/gram (10 ng/gm = 18,000ng/64oz) for daily consumption.
    Am I “poisoning” you with the arsenic from my cigarette smoke? Actually, with the average cigarette putting out 32 ng of arsenic into the air which is then diluted by normal room ventilation for an individual exposure of .032 ng/hour, you would have to hang out in a smoky bar for literally 660,000 hours every day (yeah, a bit hard, right?) to get the same dose of arsenic that the government tells you is safe to drink.
    So you can see why claims that smokers are “poisoning” people are simply silly.
     You can stay at home all day long if you don’t want all those “deadly” chemicals around you, but in fact, those alleged 4000-7000 theorized chemicals in cigarettes are present in many foods, paints etc. in much larger quantities. And as they are present in cigarettes in very small doses, they are harmless. Sorry, no matter how much you like the notion of harmful ETS, it’s a myth.

  • Anonymous

    Not 1 Death or Sickness Etiologically Assigned to Tobacco.  All the diseases attributed to smoking are also present in non smokers. It means, in other words, that they are multifactorial, that is, the result of the interaction of tens, hundreds, sometimes thousands of factors, either known or suspected contributors – of which smoking can be one.

  • Anonymous

    In 1991 NIOSH { OSHA’ research group} Looked into ETS although at the time they recommended reducing ETS exposure they found the studies lacking.
    NIOSH recognizes that these recent epidemiological studies have several shortcomings: lack of objective measures for charachterizing and quantifying exposures,failures to adjust for all confounding variables,potential misclassification of ex-smokers as non-smokers,unavailability of comparison groups that have not been exposed to ETS, and low statistical power.
    Research is needed to investigate the following issues:
    1. More acurate quantification of the increased risk of lung cancer associated with ETS exposure,including determination of other contributing factors[e.g.,occupational exposures]that may accentuate the risk.
    2.Determination of the concentration and distributuion of ETS components in the workplace to help quantify the risk for the U.S. working population.
    a.The association of ETS exposure with cancer other than lung cancerb.The relationship between ETS exposure and cardiovascular diseasec.The relationship between ETS exposure and nonmalignant resporatory diseases such asthma,bronchitis and emphysema, andthe effects of ETS on lung function and respiratory systemsc. Possible mechanisms of ETS damage to the cardiovascular system,such as platelet aggravation,increased COHb leading to oxygen depravation,or damage to endotheliumd.Effects of workplace smoking restrictions on the ETS exposure of nonsmokersand ETS-related health effects in nonsmokers
    After ten years of no conclusive research and lack of studies that didn’t eliminate the bias OSHA decided that the studies did not have substance and here is there present policy.
    Environmental Tobacco Smoke (ETS)
    Because the organic material in tobacco doesn’t burn completely, cigarette smoke contains more than 4,700 chemical compounds. Although OSHA has no regulation that addresses tobacco smoke as a whole, 29 CFR 1910.1000 Air contaminants, limits employee exposure to several of the main chemical components found in tobacco smoke. In normal situations, exposures would not exceed these permissible exposure limits (PELs), and, as a matter of prosecutorial discretion, OSHA will not apply the General Duty Clause to ETS….

  • Sheila Martin

    Looks like Tom and Jo Ann aren’t the only coocoonuts on the tree!

  • Michael McFadden

    Lounge owner Joann Jeffries said, “If they make it a blanket non smoking, where everything in Columbus is non-smoking, it would be fine..”

    Joann, you are SO wrong.  With a blanket ban your business won’t get hurt as much as the places that make more of their money off alcohol, but you WILL still be hurt.  You need to understand that it is standard procedure for the antismoking lobbyists to lie to you in order to get support for their bans.  Once the bans come in and people realize they’ve been “taken to the laundry” and start screaming, the lobbyists come back and say, “You just need to give it some time and the smokers will adjust and come back.”  Then when you “give it time” and it hasn’t really helped, well, by then the places that REALLY got hurt badly and that would have REALLY fought the ban will have closed.  By that point, maybe three years down the line, it’ll be too late to fight: your strongest allies will be gone, no one will have the money to put into the fight, and a lot of places will have sunk tens of thousands of dollars or more into things like outdoor patios.  Those expenses, and the 5, 10, or 15% losses they’ve endured will be money that they’ll never make back — even if business begins to pick up again.

    Don’t listen to their lies.  Read “The Lies Behind The Smoking Bans” by Googling “V.Gen5H” and clicking on “The Health Arguments” and fight while you still can.  And if “Butch” or any other anonymous comments would like to offer specific, substantive criticisms of anything inside the “Lies” booklet, please feel free: I promise I won’t mind, and I’ll try to stop back to respond.

    Michael J. McFadden
    Author of “Dissecting Antismokers’ Brains”

  • Michael J. McFadden

    Sorry!  :/  I have no idea why my comments below showed up in triplicate.  It was certainly not intentional!

    - MJM

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